What i need to beat a Titan.

[00silvyME]

I have an 04 GMC with a 4.8. This guy i know just bought a Titan cuz he knows it is fast and will beat the Chevys/GMCs that I have always run for trucks. I already know he will eat me up and spit me out no problem. But I bought this 04 truck KNOWING i was gonna do a 6.0 swap first chance so I havnt done any mods except high flow cats and magnaflow muffler. Once I do the 6.0 swap what else will i need to ensure he isn't gonna be able to touch me? I'll do the basic CAI and headers and I will always stick with Blackbear. Will I hand him his a** with that set up or do i need more?

[Jared]

need 572 with twin turbos

[DaveV]

need 572 with twin turbos

Might want to run slicks with that combo :yuno:

[mwbrannen]

tune/longtubes/gears

[denaliTIM]

boost the fuck out of the 4.8

[Hogg]

6.0, agressively stalling torque converter, PCM tune, cam, LT's should easily melt the Tundra.

peace
Hog

[BOO5TED]

need 572 with twin turbos

Might want to run slicks with that combo :yuno:

Don't forget the throttle body spacer.

[Jared]

I didn't...nor did I forget the electric supercharger or Flowmaster

[CUB]

6.0, agressively stalling torque converter, PCM tune, cam, LT's should easily melt the Tundra.

peace
Hog

Or Titan

[linden]

before i respond are you in highschool?

[Emery19]

titan you say? hmm. i might know this guy.. is it white?

[Travieso]

headers/tune/CAI/3" Exhaust/Servo's/ what did it for me

[Kevin]

titan you say? hmm. i might know this guy.. is it white?

Only one Nissan Titan running around up in Maine or something? :roflmao:

[Peyton676]

Problem solved:signs8:

http://i56.tinypic.com/9a7ebk.jpg

[Smooth_Operater]

before i respond are you in highschool?

I was thinking the exact same thing!

[theholycow]

Only one Nissan Titan running around up in Maine or something? :roflmao:

Maybe most Mainers know better...

[BOO5TED]

Problem solved:signs8:

http://i56.tinypic.com/9a7ebk.jpg

Dual blowers :read:

[MeanGreenZ71]

Problem solved:signs8:

http://i56.tinypic.com/9a7ebk.jpg

ROFL at doing that to a foxbody

[denaliTIM]

a head start is a good cheap way to beat him..

[chamillionTC]

So do you & this guy with the Titan have regular pissing matches?

[linden]

ROFL at doing that to a foxbody
I would be surprised if it was on anything but

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[flossinon24s]

Its a Titan, use a Huffy.

[Chris.]

gonna have to sell the truck, no way to beat it with a 4.8.

You shouldve thought about this before buying it.

[DirtyBlackHD]

Get a girlfriend that isnt fat

[MeanGreenZ71]

I would be surprised if it was on anything but

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More of a Civic or Eclipse mod IMO.

[Emery19]

Only one Nissan Titan running around up in Maine or something? :roflmao:

yep. pretty much. haha :okay2: i just know a guy thats got a titan thats all into racing and shit. just a thought. :ninja:

[Devon.]

http://i.imgur.com/5KeN4.jpg

[Cornell]

Buy a duramax and get a mild race tune.

:okay2:

[02White6.0]

Buy a duramax and get a mild race tune.

:okay2:

This

[00z71lt]

:snoopfacepalm:

[BOO5TED]

http://www.beadbreaker.co.uk/images/tyre_repair_bead_breaker/valve_removal_tool.jpg

[pj4553]

:yuno: spray the piss out of it with nitrous

[motoman02]

http://www.gmfullsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235493

[wagon b0y]

Long Tubes, Stall, Cam, tune, gears, exhaust, intake, Vette servo, shift kit,


or buy a car and beat him

[00silvyME]

Well this forum is a huge help. For the person who asked if I was in highschool..no im not, im 23. If u read the first messege I left I said I plan on doing a 6.0 swap like most everyone in this forum has done so don't tell me im wasting my money. I bought this truck before he beought his titan and wanted the 6.0 swap before he boiught the Titan. No hes not the only Titan in Maine either. If some of you people are not willing to help people out with real information then why bother replying or being on this forum period? I've always wanted a 6.0 in my GM trucks without having to buy a 2500. This is my 3rd GM truck, first with the 4.8 and I hate it. But I'll just go to a more helpful GM forum and get information there

[chamillionTC]

Well this forum is a huge help. For the person who asked if I was in highschool..no im not, im 23. If u read the first messege I left I said I plan on doing a 6.0 swap like most everyone in this forum has done so don't tell me im wasting my money. I bought this truck before he beought his titan and wanted the 6.0 swap before he boiught the Titan. No hes not the only Titan in Maine either. If some of you people are not willing to help people out with real information then why bother replying or being on this forum period? I've always wanted a 6.0 in my GM trucks without having to buy a 2500. This is my 3rd GM truck, first with the 4.8 and I hate it. But I'll just go to a more helpful GM forum and get information there

If your feelings are that hurt that you need to beat a Titan go buy a Corvette. If you want real answers you should have asked a real question. You can't blame these guys & their answers when you flat out ask, "WHAT I NEED 2 BEAT TITAN?"

I've seen plenty guys ask here, "What do I need to do to get more performance out of my truck?" & got real answers.

[Jared]

Fullsizechevy seems like the place for you, guy

[Duramacs]

Or perhaps figure what a Titan runs in the 1/8 or 1/4 and specify your speed goal. You didn't expect members of this forum to know what a Titan runs did you? Some did give you input, others.... Well let's just say lighten up a bit huh?


Rollin Mobile

[00silvyME]

What did I mess up on with my qeastion? I didn't ask a stupid qeastion..i put the qeastion together well and with detail on what i wanted before posting it and I simply asked after doing a 6.0 swap if I would still need mods to out perform a Titan. Cuz when i was on the Titan forum they were talking about beating VortecMax's with programmers. So I was simply asking in a non direct manner to members who have done the swap how the motor swap in my truck would compare to the Titan. I don't see why someone couldn't be mature about it and just say if you do the 6.0 swap and add a BB tune and and other bolt on mods you should be able to kill a Titan but instead I get bullshit answers like 572 with twin turbos or buy a car..I've been a member on this forum since I was in highschool and bought my first GM truck and I start a simple thred and it gets blown up with stupid answers. I think one person gave me a legit answer

[fortplainman]

cai/exhaust/BBP and a 100 shit of NOS

but TBO 4.8's LOVE boost. get a KBRacing kit for real cheap considering the quality. regardless if its a 70mm/76mm or if you get an intercooler and meth injection or where you have it for boost, you will dominate the shit outta him.

[Samuel6731]

its kinda cheap but i beat one from about 75 on the interstate, all i got is tune, servo, and CAI now from dead stop, i dont stand a chance

[00silvyME]

I know Titans are quick cuz i've read it before and I looked in on a Titan forum and they don't even have a company that makes a programmer for them and they can keep up with 5.3s with full mods. My last truck was a 06 with the 5.3, Dynatech long tube headers, CAI, vette servo, and BB tune and it was fast as hell and a Titan pulled up to me on the interstate to race and I barely pulled on him..he looked like he had stuff done too but I will never know because I didn't talk to the driver of the Titan.

[Duramacs]

There are now more than 1 helpful answers. My point was that stating what the truck you want to beat can run would have been better. As phrased you expect members here to be familiar with a truck many no doubt despise.


Rollin Mobile

[00silvyME]

I beleive his truck is stock besides he put straight pipe on it and it sounds like crap. I doubt he will do other mods to it for a while cuz hes attempting to put 35s on it

[kmc22rado]

I would do mods that you can use with your 6.0 swap (I.e. Gears, intake, lt's, servos) what configuration of truck do you have?

[Wyatt_VMax]

Here is a good question- what is your budget? The mods you can do to your truck are only as deep as your wallet.

[draggindime072010]

so lucky for you a buddy of mine owns a crew cab titan its all stock, we used to race all the time just for shits and giggles my 03 ext cab sierra with the 5.3 all stock was right there with him. depending on who left the line best was who was gonna win it was either him by a bumper or me by a bumper. i put a cold air intake on mine flowmaster muffler dumped before the axel and e3 spark plugs and i could beat him by half a truck length to a whole truck length. we havnt raced since then, i think mainly because he put 24s on his truck and i went with 22s, those wheels slowed us both down a bit lol. as soon as i am able to im gonna be regearing my truck and doing a cam, long tube headers, and a black bear tune.

[Gold00Silvy]

not that it matters, you can get a 6.0L in a 1500. My buddy had a 99 silverado with a 6.0L, it was special ordered though

[00silvyME]

My truck is a 4.8 ex cab with 3.73 gears. I installed magnflow high flow cats and a magnaflow muffler. As far as the budget goes I work construction and will be going to a shutdown in the next couple weeks working 7 days a week and 12 hour days for about 12-15 weeks. So ill be raking in some money. No im not spending every last doller on my truck cuz I do want to pay off some bills and what not. The motor swap will be a winter build with income tax because the past 3 years ive paid things off with my income tax and this year I plan on spending it on myself for once. Intake and servo will be next cuz those will fit the 6.0. I will order the Black Bear PCM after the motor swap unless I can plug the stock PCM in for the 6.0 engine while the BB PCM is being retuned for the motor swap? Will it run fine with the stock PCm for a short time?

[Hellspeaker]

I beat the dog shit out of a titan from a 30 roll and im stock. 2005 5.3 rcsb, i just be riding around town walking the dog on all the mustangs and they're all like THAT THING GOT NOS?!

[00silvyME]

Regcab short beds are quick. When i graduated highschool and started working I put a K and N intake, BB tune, long tube dynatech headers on my 2000 5.3 and raced a guy i worked with 5.3 reg cab short bed and he just had a flowmaster muffler and superchip and he walked on me pretty good..

[scarber08]

My truck is a 4.8 ex cab with 3.73 gears. I installed magnflow high flow cats and a magnaflow muffler. As far as the budget goes I work construction and will be going to a shutdown in the next couple weeks working 7 days a week and 12 hour days for about 12-15 weeks. So ill be raking in some money. No im not spending every last doller on my truck cuz I do want to pay off some bills and what not. The motor swap will be a winter build with income tax because the past 3 years ive paid things off with my income tax and this year I plan on spending it on myself for once. Intake and servo will be next cuz those will fit the 6.0. I will order the Black Bear PCM after the motor swap unless I can plug the stock PCM in for the 6.0 engine while the BB PCM is being retuned for the motor swap? Will it run fine with the stock PCm for a short time?

Yes, you can run a 6.0 on a 5.3 (or 4.8 I would imagine) PCM. It's not ideal at all but it will work.

[beastmode]

You will beat him with just the 6liter.
Badmofo over on performance trucks ran 14.1s in 90* weather with nothing more than a LQ4 (stock internals) swap, a cai and cbe

[Hellspeaker]

I would honestly say Turbo the 4.8 you have in there. Those little motors love boost and you be walking on him hard then.

[ShredSled]

I know Titans are quick cuz i've read it before and I looked in on a Titan forum and they don't even have a company that makes a programmer for them and they can keep up with 5.3s with full mods. My last truck was a 06 with the 5.3, Dynatech long tube headers, CAI, vette servo, and BB tune and it was fast as hell and a Titan pulled up to me on the interstate to race and I barely pulled on him..he looked like he had stuff done too but I will never know because I didn't talk to the driver of the Titan.

^ no such thing.


don't the titans have 4.30's stock? Not sure how their tranny ratios compare though...

[blackvmax07]

id get a tune,intake,exhaust and a 3200 circle d with shift kit and servos and u will have no problem with him

[00silvyME]

I started calling around the local junkyards for a 6.0l and all of them only have 6.0ls with over 100k. So I will continue to wait. Going to get a CAI and programmer today for the 4.8 until the 6.0l im looking for pops up. Might turn into a winter project

[SarkOzy]

Nothing wrong with a 100K mile LQ4. 100K miles isn't what it used to be.

[ShredSled]

yeah and it gives you some bargaining leverage to get that price way down. Going to be much better money spent than a programmer and cai.

[Tim W]

yeah and it gives you some bargaining leverage to get that price way down. Going to be much better money spent than a programmer and cai.

the average idiot will spend over $500 on a CAI and handheld, shit, that's half the cost of what they're asking for a motor

[ShredSled]

the average idiot will spend over $500 on a CAI and handheld, shit, that's half the cost of what they're asking for a motor

ha no shit. His buddy with the titan will still be laughing after those two worthless “mods“.
I got my 05 lq9 for $750.

[00silvyME]

Im getting the K&N intake for $150 used which will fit the 6.0 and a Bullydog programmer for $200, which I will resell once I get the 6.0. $750 for a LQ9 would be great but I doubt I'll find a good deal like that in Maine. I have a 2 year warrenty on my drive train and the transmission is startng to slip before it shifts into second gear. I'm going to need to beef up the 60e anyways for the extra horsepower what will i need?

[Dan44149]

I rarely have any problems with most trucks and a Titan doesn't even turn my head.

Personally, if I'm going to go through the trouble of swapping an engine... it's going to be a fresh engine. So I would find the 6.0L with the most miles on it, get it at a basement price, and spend the money on internals.

[Dan44149]

Im getting the K&N intake for $150 used which will fit the 6.0 and a Bullydog programmer for $200, which I will resell once I get the 6.0. $750 for a LQ9 would be great but I doubt I'll find a good deal like that in Maine. I have a 2 year warrenty on my drive train and the transmission is startng to slip before it shifts into second gear. I'm going to need to beef up the 60e anyways for the extra horsepower what will i need?

I wouldn't put a Bullydog on my truck if you GAVE me $200.

[Dan44149]

I have a 2 year warrenty on my drive train and the transmission is startng to slip before it shifts into second gear.

Your warranty is going to be shit out the door after an engine swap.

I'm going to need to beef up the 60e anyways for the extra horsepower what will i need?

Your best bet is to find a performance transmission builder that does nothing else.... remember that the 6.0L came with a 4L80E and the 6.2L's come with a 6L80E. If you can, get a 6.0L/4L80E combo deal from the salvage yard. You'll have a much better platform in which to start your build up. 4L80E's are good for serious hp/tq with just a shift kit.

Answers to your questions are in red.

[ShredSled]

6.0 aren't always mated to 80e.

[Dan44149]

6.0 aren't always mated to 80e.

The fast ones are... ;)

[Jared]

So when I am looking for a 6.0, I need to look at the 4l80 combo for a fast one?

[Dan44149]

So when I am looking for a 6.0, I need to look at the 4l80 combo for a fast one?

LOL no, that's not what I was saying...

The 4L60E will hold a 6.0L sure... but it is notorious for failing.

The guys on here with high output 6.0's have 4L80E's behind them... they are supercharged and have done nothing to the tranny but a shift kit.

If he's in the beginning stages of a build up, it's smarter to get a 4L80E because, I don't know about you guys... but when I start with the truck... there is never an end in sight. Why give yourself a limiting factor this early in the ball game? Go with the 4L80E and your tranny won't be a limiting factor. That's what I'm saying.

[ShredSled]

The fast ones are... ;)

haha ok, I'll walk all over your 6.2 no prob with my little 60e behind my 6.0, but apparantly I'm not “a fast guy“ here!

...but yeah, now after reading your second reply down there I agree with what you're saying.


So when I am looking for a 6.0, I need to look at the 4l80 combo for a fast one?

haha no no, he was talking jive that could easily be misinterpreted. All 6.0's are same regardless of what trans is behind them, only diff is c/r between lq9 & 4. and 04 and earlier lq4 had slightly weaker con rods. But yeah, if you're up for the 80e swap you might as well get the whole combo since it might be cheaper than each separate, like Dan was mentioning.

[Dan44149]

haha ok, I'll walk all over your 6.2 no prob with my little 60e behind my 6.0, but apparantly I'm not “a fast guy“ here!

Yup... why you say that? What do you have done to your 6.0L? I got 403 factory warrantied hp... ;) Gonna wait til the warranty is up before I go too crazy with it.

...but yeah, now after reading your second reply down there I agree with what you're saying.




haha no no, he was talking jive that could easily be misinterpreted. All 6.0's are same regardless of what trans is behind them, only diff is c/r between lq9 & 4. and 04 and earlier lq4 had slightly weaker con rods. But yeah, if you're up for the 80e swap you might as well get the whole combo since it might be cheaper than each separate, like Dan was mentioning.


See red. As to the other post... I just hate hitting a roadblock when I wanna do something. I couldn't add more power to my DMax without rebuilding the tranny. I was gonna do a 600hp build on it, but my buddy talked me into a massive rebuild that would hold 1000hp... my thoughts were WTF will I ever need that much for? Sure as shit... the +225 hp tune wasn't enough for me... and I wanted more. If he hadn't talked me into building it up bigger in the first place... I would have had to build it again. Just saves a little headache down the road, cuz we ALL always want more.

[Jared]

haha ok, I'll walk all over your 6.2 no prob with my little 60e behind my 6.0, but apparantly I'm not “a fast guy“ here!

...but yeah, now after reading your second reply down there I agree with what you're saying.




haha no no, he was talking jive that could easily be misinterpreted. All 6.0's are same regardless of what trans is behind them, only diff is c/r between lq9 & 4. and 04 and earlier lq4 had slightly weaker con rods. But yeah, if you're up for the 80e swap you might as well get the whole combo since it might be cheaper than each separate, like Dan was mentioning.

I got that, just being my normal self.

[Dan44149]

That your girl against your grill Jared? ;)

[2500hdon37s]

IMO the 4L80e is a must with the 6.0L

[Jared]

That your girl against your grill Jared? ;)

No, my wife Asian, this chic works at Redneck Heaven (visit website) in Lewisville, TX near Dallas. We had a DFW meet and asked a few of the girls to pose. I posted a thread here.

[Dan44149]

May have to check that place out on my next trip to OKC... I've got some friends in DFW area I need to visit.

[Jared]

Well when you come bring me as much Yuengling as you can and I promise I will reimburse you!

[Dan44149]

LOL I have 2 cases left in my pantry from before they sold it here in Ohio. They just started selling it here. I'm from NC and we had it there for as long as I can remember. When the wife dragged me up here to hell, you can imagine my shock to find out you couldn't get it here.

I'll trade you a case of Yuengling for a case of Lone Star...

[tylers88]

boost the fuck out of the 4.8
THIS

get an LS6 cam, big turbo tune, built trans. Then your trans will be ready for the 6.0 and if you blow the 4.8 fuck it you planned on swapping anyway, I've heard the 4.8s take boost like it nothing

[Jared]

LOL I have 2 cases left in my pantry from before they sold it here in Ohio. They just started selling it here. I'm from NC and we had it there for as long as I can remember. When the wife dragged me up here to hell, you can imagine my shock to find out you couldn't get it here.

I'll trade you a case of Yuengling for a case of Lone Star...

Any day, Lonestar is horse piss.

[Dan44149]

LOL I compare it to Bud

[Chanin6929]

I burnt a tundra about 4 months ago with my stock 6.2!!! 6 spd tranny and 3.73's and 24's!!...he couldnt touch me...I'm sure a nicely tuned 6.0 will definately do the trick!!
We have titans for our company trucks...they are much slower than a tundra...

[Dan44149]

I burnt a tundra about 4 months ago with my stock 6.2!!! 6 spd tranny and 3.73's and 24's!!...he couldnt touch me...I'm sure a nicely tuned 6.0 will definately do the trick!!
We have titans for our company trucks...they are much slower than a tundra...

No kidding. That goes back to my post where I said few trucks turn my head... especially a Titan.

Smoked thus far:
Titan
F-150 5.4
F-150 Eco-boost (actually is quicker than I thought)
Tundra
Hemi Ram
Kia Optima Turbo (sounds funny but that little car has 285hp)
Mustang GT
Several Honda Accords/Civics that try to speed up from stoplights to cut me off (with 21' Ranger behind my truck)

Had a guy in a non-Hemi Dodge Ram try to race me with my boat behind me too... yeah, he lost.

6.2 is a lot faster than people think it is.

[beastmode]

IMO the 4L80e is a must with the 6.0L

Your opinion would be wrong.

A properly built 60E will handle the power levels of a h/c 6 liter all day long... and have less drive train loss than a 80E will.

[Chanin6929]

No kidding. That goes back to my post where I said few trucks turn my head... especially a Titan.

Smoked thus far:
Titan
F-150 5.4
F-150 Eco-boost (actually is quicker than I thought)
Tundra
Hemi Ram
Kia Optima Turbo (sounds funny but that little car has 285hp)
Mustang GT
Several Honda Accords/Civics that try to speed up from stoplights to cut me off (with 21' Ranger behind my truck)

Had a guy in a non-Hemi Dodge Ram try to race me with my boat behind me too... yeah, he lost.

6.2 is a lot faster than people think it is.

Get you the BB tune and you'll shit your pants...the 6.2 and 60E combo is held back waaay more than you would expect...and its still faster than most!!

[beastmode]

Get you the BB tune and you'll shit your pants...the 6.2 and 60E combo is held back waaay more than you would expect...and its still faster than most!!

They come with the 6spd trans.
This is truth tho, 6.2 4x4 crew cabs with a tune are good for 14s

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[Chanin6929]

They come with the 6spd trans.
This is truth tho, 6.2 4x4 crew cabs with a tune are good for 14s

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Verry low 14's...throw on some LT's and a CAI and a good set of tires and you are hitting 13's every time!!

[OHNINE]

slam the truck reallllllll low. more aerodynamic.

add a HUGE WING.. for super downforce.

and remove any parts u dont need. seats/doors/bed/windows/steering linkage and things.

all that stuff for steering is HEAVY. remove it. no need to turn drag racing

[chevytruckguy]

TSP 220, long tubes, tune, yank 3600, 4.56's, and sticky tires. That should beat a titan.

[ShredSled]

TSP 220, long tubes, tune, yank 3600, 4.56's, and sticky tires. That should beat a titan.

haha, I would hope so!
My Sierra has almost identical mods to that list, and would accomplish the feat with a lift and 33's.

[beastmode]

TSP 220, long tubes, tune, yank 3600, 4.56's, and sticky tires. That should beat a titan.

Thats roughly $2,500 worth of work and there is a good possibility that he will hate driving his truck after that. He can pick up a pullout LQ4 for about $1,200 and drop it in and he will never notice the difference until he is in the gas.

It cracks me up to see people suggest things like 4.56s... you guys must never drive your trucks on the highway or at all for that matter... this is what 4.56s looks like with a 29.7" tall tire (for the record that is doing about 2mph over the speed limit for 15 miles one way)

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z346/beastmode84/1010111420.jpg

[theholycow]

2500 is all? That'd be annoying but not the end of the world.

I had a 2008 VW that, stock, did 3000 at 70mph despite having plenty of torque to do 70 at (my guess) 1800 if only they had provided a highway gear. I was in 5th by 25mph and wished for 5 more gears.

[beastmode]

2500 is all? That'd be annoying but not the end of the world.

I had a 2008 VW that, stock, did 3000 at 70mph despite having plenty of torque to do 70 at (my guess) 1800 if only they had provided a highway gear. I was in 5th by 25mph and wished for 5 more gears.

Thats at 65mph... I normally run 80mph that entire stretch lol. I have been in the slow lane all week :(

Sheesh, 3k at 70mph... I wouldn't be able to stand it :suicide2:

[theholycow]

Yeah, it sure pissed me off.

When I did the transmission project in my Buick I made sure to get a transmission with a nice tall 5th.

[chevytruckguy]

Thats roughly $2,500 worth of work and there is a good possibility that he will hate driving his truck after that. He can pick up a pullout LQ4 for about $1,200 and drop it in and he will never notice the difference until he is in the gas.

It cracks me up to see people suggest things like 4.56s... you guys must never drive your trucks on the highway or at all for that matter... this is what 4.56s looks like with a 29.7" tall tire (for the record that is doing about 2mph over the speed limit for 15 miles one way)

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z346/beastmode84/1010111420.jpg

I should have put a :jester: in my post, but seriously, my truck has a 4.8 with comp 212/218, TB torque converter, pacesetters and 3.73's. With a 28" drag radial, it runs 14.55's in bad, 2800' air. I'm probably leaving 3 to 4 tenths on the table with my cam,gear and converter, but I drive my truck 20k miles a year, and its my daily driver. I don't think 4.56's and a 3600 would be all that bad in my truck, its a RCSB, and it weighs 4200 pounds; it probably wouldn't flash 3600 with my setup anyway, more like 3400. Yes a 6.0 would be cheaper and do the job, but I have a lot of fun with my setup.