Is the edge a good product?

[Josh M]

I'm looking at buying my dad an edge/w the controller for his birthday. Will it be alright on a LLY duramax? I'm looking for something more simple, this seems to be the way to go. How does this compare to the banks six gun? Do you think I'll be alright going with this box? Is it the best product out there for a simple install with a good amount of power gain? Does it void the warranty?

[Charlie 2 02's]

umm, first off, please dont buy banks, they suck, if you go to www.dieselplace.com , you can read all the stories of how banks fucked shit up, there is two or three of us on this site running the edge, i am one of them, i have the custom tuned hot juice, which adds a little more to it, but all in all, i love my edge, today i beat a dmax, lly, with stock tires on it, with the hyper tech, intake, exhaust, and some other stuff, thats pretty good considering i am turning 37's, and he is rolling 245's, also, Ryan will also state some stuff for you as well as Todd and Josh, but anyone i have talked to likes the edge, and the have damn near everyproblem worked out for the lly, and the stories you heard were from the previous chips for the lb7, so i think it would be a great purchase, and you dad better hang on imo :read:

[Josh M]

Thats what I figured Charlie, I was just reading some posts on the ticking and what not on the LB7's. The thing has got to be damn near perfect/easy install or he will bitch. My custom PCM didn't end up working out for me and I caught hell when my truck wouldn't start. I'd never here the end of it if the edge messed something up...:lol: How easy are they to install? BTW: i would get him the hot juice, but they don't make it for the LLY......yet ( future upgrade )

[Charlie 2 02's]

the hardest part is the egt sensor, dont worry tho, its not that bad, just pull passanger inner fender out, drill a hole in the exhaust manifold, and tap it with npt 1/8ths, and screw it in there, its really easy, and the electrical conections are real easy, maybe a 5 minute install if your a slow worker imo

[Josh]

the egt was no biggie. ive been completely satisfied with my edge box. ive never even tried level 5 and am very happy.

[carterbeauford]

if charlie hasn't blown his shit up the way he drives then it must be a good product :D

yes it could void your warranty, there are a lot of variables there. some dealers will void your entire truck warranty just for having it, others will look the other way. warranty on mine is 100k and the only thing keeping me from a quad box.

[-J-]

just get in good with the service manager at your local dealer and they will hook you up. my last 2 trucks were supercharged and they always took care of stuff for me. i told him i wanted to get a programmer on my d-max and he said no problem.

[Josh M]

I don't think they would have a problem with it, but hopefully it doesn't void the warranty. Just going to put the edge on there, some tires, wheels and a lift. Nothing too major.

[carterbeauford]

I don't think they would have a problem with it, but hopefully it doesn't void the warranty. Just going to put the edge on there, some tires, wheels and a lift. Nothing too major.

get it in writing, have the dealership's owner sign it and do it in front of a notary. there's more at risk than you realize if you intend on keeping the warranty and expecting GM to honor it. nothing against edge, but when you start playing with more power things can go wrong, and i've seen a lot of people lose their warranty.

case in point, my ex-dealership installed a TST on a truck like mine and told the guy he could keep his warranty. not sure what exactly happened but his engine doesn't run and no one is fixing it. when you play you pay.

[Todd]

IMO I don't like the Edge fore multiple reasons, I have one and run it. If I could do it all over again I wouldn't buy one. They do have some good points but in my opinion the bad out weights the good. But its a decent product for the price, but its up to you. :read:

[04BlackMax]

Thats what I figured Charlie, I was just reading some posts on the ticking and what not on the LB7's. The thing has got to be damn near perfect/easy install or he will bitch. My custom PCM didn't end up working out for me and I caught hell when my truck wouldn't start. I'd never here the end of it if the edge messed something up...:lol: How easy are they to install? BTW: i would get him the hot juice, but they don't make it for the LLY......yet ( future upgrade )

The ticking problem is ongoing. By the way it is an LLY motor, and a new Edge box mfg 10/04. I got it back from Edge they did some upgrade to it and sent it back. Said it appears to be working fine. I'm waiting to get the truck into the dealer, but have to wait until July 7. Could be a weak injector.
I think the Edge is a great product. those guys stand behind their shit too.
Buy it....can't go wrong. :head:

[Josh M]

The Dealer said that the warranty would not be void, but don't do anything stupid with the edge. They are saying that the dealer will not be responsible for a blown transmission if the edge is what caused it. Otherwise they said the warranty is good. I don't think this will be a problem, cause I don't plan to take it above level 3 at all, to much at risk. Only level 1 or off, when towing. (whitch we hardly ever do)

[Charlie 2 02's]

run 2 towing, your truck will be happier than with it off, less load on the motor, but just keep all your defueling, and dont go above level 3, i run mine on level 3 occasionaly, only when i want to kill something, then just turn it down to 1, but on 1 i beat a turboed eclipse the other day, so it isnt like its a dog on level 1 either, but do as you please, just dont be dumb about it imo.

[carterbeauford]

The Dealer said that the warranty would not be void, but don't do anything stupid with the edge. They are saying that the dealer will not be responsible for a blown transmission if the edge is what caused it. Otherwise they said the warranty is good. I don't think this will be a problem, cause I don't plan to take it above level 3 at all, to much at risk. Only level 1 or off, when towing. (whitch we hardly ever do)

he have the allison or the 80E? allison holds up well on level 3 from what i've seen.

[Josh M]

It's the Allison. I've been looking into it the edge more and more, and for the Duramax at least it seems to be the best product out there. I've been reading the reviews on the Hypertech, Bully Dog, and Banks chips and the edge seems to be the best bet from what people are saying. Thanks for the great info guys! :shake: I appreciate it. Charlie and Ryan, your expertise is always welcomed.

[TwoTone]

he have the allison or the 80E? allison holds up well on level 3 from what i've seen.


only the allison is availible with the Duramax

[Angry Samoan]

only the allison is availible with the Duramax

Wrong! you can also get a manual tranny behind duramax.

[Angry Samoan]

Josh m, I have the Edge w/ juice and I love it.Have not had any problems.
I remove it when I take my truck in for service so there are no questions asked.

[Charlie 2 02's]

do they not say anything about how high it is, your shit is big john, and when i put my little lift on, they said no more warrenty, oh well :nono:

[Angry Samoan]

They complained a little when I had my injectors replaced. But they were cool about it. I do not expect them to warranty the suspension.
I asked about the tranny once and the service manager said to put it on stock tires and there would be no problems.
Due to the Moss-Magnuson act the dealer cannot deny warranty work unless they can prove the modification was the cause of the failure.

[Todd]

The biggest thing that is shitty about the Edge IMO is the temp gauge is off and the boost gauge is off. The boost is read from the MAP sensor so you really don't get an correct reading. And the temp is off by 130. Plus it doesn't increase line pressure to you tranny which makes the converter slip and many other things. But the shift on the fly is the best thing it has going for it. Other than that is primative power IMO.

[Josh]

the temp guage on mine doesnt work. you can adjust it to read something else.

[Josh M]

I'm just looking for the best product available for the D-Max. I could do without the edge controller, just cause I really don't care about the temp reading anyways, there is one on the dash lol, but being able to ajust the levels are nice, so I'm going to get that for sure.

Damn John, I just looked at your truck on your car domain site. That thing is SIK. Damn it looks great.

[Angry Samoan]

Thanks :rocking:

[Todd]

the temp guage on mine doesnt work. you can adjust it to read something else.
Are the connectors with the nuts and bolts touching? If so that is why it doesn't read anything.

just cause I really don't care about the temp reading anyways, there is one on the dash lol,

haha That is engine temp not EGTs! If your gonna "chip" a diesel a EGT gauge is a must, if you don't run one your stupid. Melt that thing down into a ball of alum and you'll wish you had one.

[Josh M]

Damn, I was thinking Engine Temp. I hope the EGT gauge definately works, or else no way in hell I'm doing without it. How hot you think the EGT's will get? Hopefully no more than 1100 from what I hear. If they get too out of hand I'm going to try and convince the oldman to buy an exhaust system. I've been looking at MPRB systems I think? Sorry if that the wrong name, I'm significantly new to this Diesel modding stuff. I read somewhere that it was a good system.

[Charlie 2 02's]

hey josh, i am running straight pipe, stock exhaust with the muffler cut off, and pipe put in, stock intake, stock filter, the highest my egt's have ever got were around 1430ish, it really doesnt matter in the quarter, the times you need to monitor your egt's are over long periods of time, such as long hills or while towing, not just quick burst down the quarter, as there is guys on diesel place going well about 1800 degrees in the quarter, with the stock motor, nothing happens, because the alluminum doesnt have enought time to reach those kinds of temps, and on the edge it will start flashing high numbers when this happens, factory defualt is 1350, and it will flash boost also, when it flashes these, and you dont let off, it will "defuel". What this is, is its cutting back fuel, to compensater for the high parameters that you have reached, thus putting you back in a safe level of performance, it will also read slipping, but i dont really trust it as much, i have run level 4 once, and had 73% defueling, so it really is a safe way to add power, and trust me, you and your dad will like it!!

[Angry Samoan]

Charlie is right, The edge has fail safe modes built in. If you are worried, then do not run above level 3 until you have done exhaust mods.

[Josh]

mine has NEVER gotten that close to 1400. i think 1175 is about the highest it gets. the EGT works, but for some reason on the 2001 LB7 the engine coolant temp doesnt work. it actually explains that in the edge book. kinda weird but whatever.

[Angry Samoan]

Huh, that is wierd my coolant temp works.

The hottest EGT I have seen my truck get is around 1200. That is on level 5.

[Charlie 2 02's]

i think mine is just high cause i am running stock exhaust, you guys are getting those gases outa there :bawl:

[Angry Samoan]

When you get a 4" exhaust you will see those EGT's go waaaay down!

[Charlie 2 02's]

yeah i know, but when i get my 4" exhaust, my money is gonna go waaaaaay down also :pissed:

[Todd]

I've touched 1513 once. I blew off a intercooler hose the other day. Made a nice little dent in my hood. :bawl:

[04BlackMax]

I've seen 1250, but I was pulling a 28' enclosed sled trailer at the time.
Edge does have good safegaurds built in.
On another note, I talked to Edge tech yesterday and he said the "Hot Juice" for LLY will be out soon. Upgrade cost is $ 250. They can have it back in the mail to you same in a couple days usually. :rocking:

[Charlie 2 02's]

yeah, mine runs hot because of the exhaust i aint worried tho, i think you would be happy with the hot edge, i can waste preditor trucks like nothing in level 3, also John, do you have any dynos, or track numbers of your truck, i looked at it on car domain, sounds fuckign badass :worship:

[Angry Samoan]

I did a dyno run once @ the Texas ski ranch, It was one of those mobile dynos. Cost $50. anyway I did 6 pulls and I broke the machine everytime, they were XXXXed! They finally gave me back my $50 and told me to get off!

I dont have any #'s as of now and I never tried the 1/4 mile times on the edge.

I might go to one of the DHRA Meets next time they are in town.

BTW check out my burnout pics. @ Texas Showdown.



http://www.texasshowdown.com/gallery/05/index.htm

[Angry Samoan]

http://www.texasshowdown.com/gallery/05/images/DSC02685B.jpg

[Charlie 2 02's]

sweet, what happened to your lower rear quarter panel?

[Angry Samoan]

Long story, I'm sure someone will chime in about it. I constantly catch hell for it! :LOL:

[Josh]

Long story, I'm sure someone will chime in about it. I constantly catch hell for it! :LOL:
damn dumbass backed into a pole at a gas station trying to back up and talk to vicred cause he was too lazy to hop out. :LOL: :LOL:

like i said above the coolant temp guage doesnt work ONLY on the 2001s. i dont know why, but it says so in the book.

[Angry Samoan]

Freakin' stock bumpers are made out of Tin-Foil!

I barely touched it! :pissed:

[Charlie 2 02's]

hey i have hit two poles so far, no damage tho :think: :think: this one about cost me tho:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/bigwhitehd/wreck3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/bigwhitehd/wreck2.jpg
:nono: :nono: :nono:

[Josh M]

Shit that was close. We have a angled driveway up to out 3 car garage. When my dad first got his D-Max I drove it and went to park in our driveway. I wasn't use to the torque and I tapped the garage door a little bit. :anitoof:

[Charlie 2 02's]

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: yeah, i have hit poles with mine, sucks :ninja:

[carterbeauford]

Due to the Moss-Magnuson act the dealer cannot deny warranty work unless they can prove the modification was the cause of the failure.

partially true but in the end you need a lawyer to prove it. dealers void warranties all the time without justification. i would not so much as take my truck in to have the tires rotated with a box on.

[Charlie 2 02's]

lol, hovis do you have a lawyer for warrenties, if so you win :read:

[carterbeauford]

lol, hovis do you have a lawyer for warrenties, if so you win :read:

no, i since i found a new dealership i haven't had any problems getting things fixed under warranty. what i'm saying is its stupid to all-out bomb your truck and then expect that a vague law will protect you in the end. sure you could hire a lawyer but all automakers have laywers too, and they're well-paid.

[Charlie 2 02's]

true, but who needs a warrenty if you never break anything, lol :anitoof: