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Bye-Bye F.I.

75K views 101 replies 36 participants last post by  davester  
#1 ·
Hello everyone,

Last week I helped a dude drop a 383ci SBC into his NBS GMT800 2wd 1500. It physically looks alot like my build, except he used an old Holley carb instead of the L31 Fuel injection.

After we got his fired up and driving I decided I've had enough of dealing with the issues that arose with my swap.

My L31 F.I & 0411 PCM was stuck in open loop with no explanation as to why. It was dumping fuel and was non-responsive to Comp tuning. It drank an average of 6-8MPG and didn't deliver the power that my 357ci is capable of producing.

The 0411 PCM required to operate the L31/4L60E isn't 100% compatible with the GMT800 platform and I lost the use & function of my...

Air Conditioning
Oil pressure gauge
Shift/gear indicator in the cluster
Reverse Lights

As well as unleash flashing error messages in the message center for sensors my truck didn't even have.

Check oil level
Check coolant level

The Plan:

Remove the Fuel Injection unit in favor of an old skool carb & manifold. Replace the 0411 PCM with the trucks original 6243 PCM tuned with every single fuel/drivability DTC turned off.

With TPS, CKPS & VSS signal the PCM can still control the 4L60E trans. The only mod/fab work was to adapt a TPS to a carb.

First step: Pull off that injection unit.

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Remove the old plastic vortec gaskets & clean off the silicone before laying down new Fel-pro 1255 gaskets & a couple beads of The Right Stuff silicone. Set the new carb intake manifold straight down onto the block

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The Manifold is a Professional Products 52028, split dual plane, air gap design.

I pulled off the drivers valve cover and turned the engine over by hand to DTC or cyl #1 to drop in the Distributor

Since the PCM doesn't need the CPS sensor to run the F.I. (Or to think it's running) I used a Summit Billet aluminum distributor with a standard magnetic trigger, mechanical & vacuum advance.

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The Carb of choice is an Edelbrock 1407 750cfm, rodded & jetted for 4% lean for my altitude. Converted to electric choke. The primaries shaft has been modified to run a TPS sensor

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The Carb is mounted backwards on the intake manifold. This will allow the trucks OE throttle cable to mount right up as well as the TPS harness will plug right in.

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I don't like those foam air cleaners, but it's all that will fit in that tight space under the cowl.

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Made a new upper radiator hose, shortened the Taylor wires for a more snug fit. Routed the throttle cables for a more even flowing path. Mounted the ignition coil on the VC using a hold down bolt

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Finished wiring up the ignition. Modified the F.I. fuel lines, a Mallory 4309 fuel pressure regulator is used to get fuel pressure down as well as provide a return line

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Spare Parts Bin:

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Here is the first start up after the swap. I didn't adjust ignition timing or carb adjustments, just turned on the key and fired her up.

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There is one catch. because the fuel supply line is 3/8" and the return line is 5/16", the in-tank pump makes 60PSI regulated down to 6 PSI, the excess pressure gets diverted to the return line... Due to it's smaller size the line can't flow that much pressure and it gets backed up and pegs the needle on the PSI gauge.

The fix will be to drop the tank, pull out the in-tank pump and run a electric pump on the frame rail. I found a 72GPH @ 5.75 PSI pump at my parts house and I will have the other half of this project done in a couple of days.

So, why... why a carb?

When I built my SBC I based my build off of a Carcraft article. Project humble Pie. They made 401hp/426 tq with the same engine internals I used. And in another article they built a SBC with the same compression ratio as mine but used a bigger 230/240 cam and made 440HP.... both articles used a Edelbrock 750cfm carb & air-gap manifold to obtain those numbers. Since fuel injection & PCM is no longer an issue... that 23X/24X duration cam looks pretty good right about now.


Was it worth it? IMO, yea. Working on these trucks is more fun than driving them. As well as having a completely unique daily driven pickup.

Cheers ~Mykk
 
#16 ·
No need to fuck with him because he didnt drop in an LSX like everyone else.
He's working with what he has. Nothing wrong with that.
Thanks for getting my back. But I'm not worried about it.

I built this engine because I wanted to, and I dropped it into my 04 Silverado to drive something different. I knew I would get a bunch of flack from the get go. and I don't care.

Hell, I would of built & dropped a small block ford just rattle a few cages, except I hate fords.

Honestly, I built a high compression, big camed, large displacment race inspired engine and put it into my daily driver. It doesn't matter if it's a SBC or a LSx, the only difference is I built mine for a hell of alot cheaper than trying to put the same internals into a LQ4/9
 
#17 ·
:cheers: no problem man. I like the build, well worth it especially to be different. I figured someone was going to chime in with there .02.
I wouldnt mind droppin a BB in my DD, who cares about practicality. Its all about building and driving the them.

How long did it take, from start to finish to do the whole swap?
 
#18 ·
How long did it take, from start to finish to do the whole swap?
The swap started early Sept/08, it took 2 days to get the engine sitting in the frame and a month to figure out the PCM to get it drivable.

It took one night to do the intake manifold & carb swap, the next morning I had all of the little odds & ends wraped up
 
#22 ·
yea, you should have done it right the first time and just went to a gen 3 and been done with it, more power, less money and still fuel injected.

CARBS FTL.
hahaha yep. theres tons of reasons everything is mpfi now...there is NOTHIGN cool about a carb.

and im getting into the middle of 2 lq4 swaps right now...both will stay fuel injected, will be cammed, and 1 (maybe both) will have a 150-200 shot of spray.
 
#26 ·
Today we dropped the tank, pulled the module and replaced the high pressure fuel pump with a piece of straight fuel line.

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using a soldering iron to cut away the plastic in order to tighten the hose clamps

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We welded the new fuel pump bracket to a cross support and successfully set the fuel that had dripped out of the line and puddled on the frame rails on fire. ... I wish I got a picture of it.

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we'll finish her up tomorrow. Just need to tap the existing FP power lines to the new pump and run the rubber line to the pump before stabing the tank back up there.