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  1. GreyGhostz71

    GreyGhostz71 GMFS Senior Member

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    Hoping Sean will chime in on this!! I’m in need of a little guidance.

    To start off yes I do have factory bose. I’m looking to add a subwoofer set up BUT I’m not looking for basic. Yes I care about sound quality but I also want that over the top bass that makes you cringe lol. I’ve had 2 Rockford T1 10’s in my old Ecsb on 1200 rms and it just wasn’t enough. I also know that I am limited for space under my seat which is upsetting but this is what I’m looking at currently.

    I know that fox ported box could probably fit all the subs except maybe the Fi BL 10 because of the excursion on the sub and the limited space under the box to the floor (1.75”). I’m going to be using my Rockford Fosgate T1500.1BD-CP to power whatever I decide to do. Ideally I would LOVE 1 BL 10 ported but I doubt that will happen. Local install place doesn’t even know how they are getting 2.1 Cuft out of the Fox box bc they only do 1.4. They are also trying to steer me away from all of my listed subs bc they have “never herd them” and are trying to sell me some JL 10Tw3 or Tw1’s which I would be WAY over powering with my amp even though I’ve already told them that I’ve herd them and it’s not nearly enough bass. Also when I brought up the 8” sub theory they started talking about the shitty DD 2508’s that they sell instead of saying that they will look into researching the DC M3 8’s that I asked about.

    Also if Someone could verify that the amp kit I post a link too is all that I need to install the amp that would be great!

    Boxes

    http://www.foxacoustics.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=GM-CC-210-V-07

    https://www.soundoffaudio.com/vented-2014-2016-chevy-silverado-crew-and-gmc-sierra-crew-sub-box/

    Subs
    8” (I know I can only fit 2 DC 8’s but I can’t find the specs for the American bass 8. I wouldn’t mind doing 4 of those)

    http://www.dcsoundlab.com/m3-8

    http://www.americanbassusa.com/Subwoofers/VFL-Comp.html



    10”

    http://www.ficaraudio.com/product/ssd-series-ssd10/

    http://www.ficaraudio.com/product/bl-series-bl10v3/

    http://www.sundownaudio.com/index.php/subwoofers/sa-series

    https://www.ctsounds.com/collections/subwoofers/products/hydro-10-d4

    Amp Kit
    http://www.emfcaraudio.com/xs-power-akxp0-1-amp-kit/


    Thanks in advance for any and all input!!!


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  2. ibanender

    ibanender www.emfcaraudio.com

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    A lot of things to say, I'll keep them as "nice" as possible. For starters, the Fox Acoustics box. It's tuned kinda high, I'm guessing they get more airspace out of it than the local shop by using 1/2" wood instead of 3/4" wood and possibly by having it so close to the floor also. It doesn't list port area but it doesn't look like much. Regardless of sub, I don't think that's going to be a very well performing box. It's 1.75" from the floor before it sinks into the carpet padding, and any sub you put in there (aside from the Sundown SD3) will have the apex of the surround around 1.25" before it starts moving.

    As far as the sub selection goes on the 10's, I've been hearing 4 months to get anything from Fi and there is a reason I quit selling CT Sounds. So, onto the 8's.

    The 8 box doesn't list tuning so I can't comment on that, but volume is good for one of the subs they listed as popular in it, http://www.emfcaraudio.com/sundown-audio-e8-v5/ I think you'd be better off with the 4 8's simply from your goal and how things will fit in the truck. The DC 8's are prone to breaking because that's the DC way (recones aren't free) and I'm presuming the American Bass are built like the other sizes (they list no info) and sound awful and don't last long. They use terrible soft parts.

    So, my vote is on the four 8's doing E8v5's and don't forget you'll need to do something about the bass dropping off with the factory HU and I've got processors for that too.
     
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    THANK YOU. I’ve been drilling my self over this for the last week lol. I knew you would be the right person to help. The local shop did say something about them using 3/4” wood so there’s that. Are you saying the SD3’s are my only way of going 10’s?

    You’ve been hearing stuff from Fi meaning you are trying to carry it or leave them and CT sounds alone as well? Because my ultimate goal is going to be cutting my back seat to buckets and doing a console box later on. So I will probably upgrade subs and amp then.

    As far as the 8’s go, I could maybe try and get the local shop to build a box around the 4 8’s so it’ll be specific to the E8’s. Im sure that would sound better. Sounding like the 8” subwoofers are the route to go in these new trucks.

    Could you link me the processor and amp kit I would need for the factory unit? I definitely want to run 0 gauge but I will have to use a distribution block from 0 to 4 because the 1500.1 only does 4 gauge wire.


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    Yeah, the local shop probably does a better job of building, which is why they get less space and has more limitations. If you went 10's the best way is SD3's. Will other things work? Sure. Will you be as happy? Probably not. Think of it like getting a Silverado with a 4.3L. It gets you from A/B but you don't enjoy it.

    On the Fi stuff, I mean people ordering and 4 months later saying "I don't have my subs yet". One guy said it was 2 months to get recones. That time frame fluctuates anywhere from a month to 8 months every time I hear about it over the years. Whether you want to wait a long time on a mediocre product or not is up to you. I wouldn't dare touch CT. If you want to cut the seat and do buckets with a console, you'd ideally be in different sub(s) than the under seat option, to maximize both possibilities. 4 8's would still work in that application though.

    As for the sub signal issue you can go about it a few ways. The basic way, http://www.emfcaraudio.com/audio-control-lc2i/ that is just on the sub itself. If you really want to go for the gusto, http://www.emfcaraudio.com/audio-control-lc7i/ would take care of the sub and accommodate doing an amp on the mids later which I suspect you'll end up doing. If you wanna go balls deep, http://www.emfcaraudio.com/audio-control-dm-608-digital-processor/ takes care of the subs, takes care of the mids AND adds a ton of adjustability in the SQ department. For the amp kit http://www.emfcaraudio.com/xs-power-akxp0-1-amp-kit/ would be sufficient though we do have the kit in OFC as well. I don't have any distribution blocks but those are easy to come by. You might also consider http://www.emfcaraudio.com/xs-power-cca-big-3-kit/ also available in OFC.
     
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    So I guess now my decision is just if I want those 2 SD3 10’s ported or the 4 8” Ev5’s.. my guess would be the 8’s would still put out more bass and would be louder but which sub has better over all sound quality?

    Ok I see what you’re saying. Thank you for saving me that headache lol. I was trying to get all of this done within the next 2 weeks.

    The guys here didn’t say anything about a signal processor. I am keeping the factory bose system in tact so I guess just the subwoofer one would work for now?? Then I would go balls deep later on the other one. Or can I even tune the bose system with one of these??

    Also, they were trying to sell me a stinger 0 gauge kit for like triple what your Xs power kit runs lol. Glad that one will do bc I will Order that one instead. Is the OFC kit better?? I saw it was a few more $$ just not 100% familiar with it.

    I actually think I still have my distribution blocks in my closet from when I had my amp installed. As far as the BIG 3, I wanted to do that but they said it would be a waste of money since I have a diesel. Thoughts on that?

    Thanks again for the help!! I will be ordering from you once we finish this conversation lol. I’ll give you a call this week after I’ve talked to local shop to finalize box/installation costs and place my order.


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    SD3's are a cleaner sub, but the 8's would definitely have more output. Will the 8's sound bad? No, but that box tuning and port area may also leave some to be desired, BUT if you end up in the console anyway not a big deal. If you're keeping everything else you'd have to do just the sub one. Going balls deep requires an amp on the mids so if that's a long ways down the road you could just do it later.

    The Stinger kit they tried to sell you may have been OFC, and the OFC kits are better. If you can spend the money on them I would definitely recommend it over the CCA. I have the 1/0 kits in that as well as the big 3. I'm not really sure why they think it would be a waste being a diesel. The alternator makes power no matter what. It's probably a 140 amp alternator (not sure on the new ones) and that 140 amps has to go through the factory wire (likely 4 ga, might be 2 ga) to the battery and might pass through the starter on the way.. While it is a short run of wire, you're also feeding the draw of the truck through it too. When you're at the point of needing 1/0 wire, I've never seen an instance where doing big 3 didn't help. My friends brother upgraded the wire on his Excursion (diesel) even down to the starter and it started and ran better.
     
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    With the 10’s being shallow, would it still hit the lows like the 4 8’s would?? Leaning towards that route tbh lol I listen to rap mainly so I much rather the sound of a loud ported box and when it hits those lows :drool:

    Would you mind maybe PMing me your business number so I can call you this week and order everything? Im going to call local shop and give them an update on everything I’ve found out this week and see if the stinger kit is OFC. I’d still kinda rather the XS power but I’ll find out. Thanks again man!!


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    This was the quote. I doubt it was OFC

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    for what its worth, love my ported dual E8v2's...really clean sounding but also can get loud without sounding muddy.
     
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    I was waiting on someone else to chime in! Lol I’ve herd some 8” set ups and they surprise me every time. It’s crazy what subs can do now a days. There’s just soooo many to choose from and it can get confusing if you don’t really know what you can and can’t fit


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    dual SA8's forward firing ported would be nasty IMO
     
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    SD3's are shallow but they aren't like everybody elses shallow garbage. They'll play lows better than E8v5's, but ported you're asking for trouble on that power. Overall for your application the 8's are what you want. I have a feeling you'll want something tuned lower than that prefab box though. I think you're confusing "the sound of ported" with "every sealed application I heard didn't play low because they were shitty subs in a sealed box". Just email me [email protected] that will be quicker, honestly. Actually, if you're just wanting to order, do it right through the website. If I place an order of the phone, that's exactly what I'm doing.

    $5.50/ft for 1/0 it better be OFC. When I sell it off the spool it's $4 a ft for OFC. FYI, that isn't Stinger wire, it's Metra wire. I'm very confused why they have a 3 ft RCA (for $60?!) on there unless they were going to just run speaker wire to the converter and put the converter right next to the amp to avoid taking the dash apart. Also, that line output converter doesn't dynamically do anything with the bass reduction when you turn the volume up. You'd complain of the bass cutting out when you turn the volume up and poor low end response.

    E8v5's are essentially an SA8 v1 with a different basket.
     
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    I’m going to email you.


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    I can’t fit the SA’s lol


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    Update, I could fit the SA’s lol. 2 SA 8v3 4ohms wired to 1 on a Rockford T1500.1BD-CP. Very impressed with these 8” subs for sure!!

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    you're welcome for the suggestion :shake:
     

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