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Yeah I never seen the point in using a smart phone based scanner, if I wanted extra tech it would be tech that's actually worth it, for example snap on or honestly hp tuners is probably best bang for buck considering it takes you from a "nobody" to an "auto God" status lol those smart phone scanners are just plain jane code readers that come off "high tech" because you get to use your colorful touch screen to operate it, plus, the wizard of oz gets a chance to chime in, lol this device must accept interference including interference that may cause UNDESIRED OPERATION....smh that rule is printed right on the box your smart ass phone was packaged in lol go ahead and trust a smarty pants phone interacting with your cars computer...but I'm no expert
 

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Yeah but a cheap scanner is ONLY gonna show you what's wrong, I would assume that if your trying to see what's wrong,that you would also want to not only see but actually fix the problem as well, something like hp tuners is the entire pie, not just a slice, buying a cheap scanner is comparable to literally paying to just window shop, what's the point of paying to just look at the problem when the problem may actually require digging into computer settings, which no basic scanner can do
 

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I’m aware of the limitations of cheap scanners. The OP needs basic info, and may not have the need for more advanced software if they don’t understand it or how to dive in that deep.
Your right I agree with you, I was just trying to be helpful in it's "entirety" because I also personally have a 2001 6.0 that was also running roughly throwing misfire codes, the only way I was able to fix it was with hp tuners by doing a crank relearn and also turning off the misfire counter because it kept throwing misfire codes religiously even though there is no misfire happening the engine ran fine it just kept throwing codes annoying the crap out of me, I know why it was throwing misfire codes because my transfer case is grinding and I'm not ready to replace it yet, warped brake rotors can cause a misfire code on these trucks, my point is I want the op to be successful fixing his rig and a plain scanner ain't gonna do crap but tease him
 

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The interference comment is printed on any device that uses radio frequencies. It is part of the UL listing for insurance purposes.

I can agree the smartphone based scanners are not anything special, but they can provide live data to help diagnose issues. Most drivability problems do not require programming the PCM.

That being said I also have EFIlive, HPtuners and an authentic Tech2. I use Bluedriver as a convenient code reader and live data provider that is always in my truck. If a friend or coworker tells me they have a CEL, then it is what I will grab to check it.

The other advantage of the ELM 327 device is it works for all cars made in US since 1995, but the biggest reason is it is Cheap at <$20. EFIlive cost me $1100, HPtuners cost over $500 when I bought it (now down to <$300, but only 2 credits) and the Tech2 was used from a city police department and still was close to $1000.

The average person won't benefit from the additional abilities of the other scanners.
I completely agree with everything you just said, my point is I don't trust wireless communication devices because they are suseptible to undesired operation and even worse the right person with the right knowledge and the right tech tools can take them over, I have seen remote control cars and other wireless remote control stuff operate on their own without my permission, I've seen remote control cars drive off on their own, and to top it off they are now making full-size remote control cars, they even have a racing league for them, I saw a headline last year where a full-size remote control battery powered indy car turned left on its own and crashed for no reason and they didn't know why, most important thing to understand about all this is that ANYTHING remote control can be controlled by more than one remote, you are not the only one with a remote to your device, go ahead and buy into these new "cars" if you want to and yes those fcc rules are definitely for INSURANCE PURPOSES, think about it, SMH
 

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You are not wrong. The have already found ways to hack into newer cars because the infotainment system (radio and display) is so integrated into the car. With DBW, electronic assist steering and ABS controls they may not be able to take complete control of the car, they can definitely impair how you can drive.

My other reasons for not wanting a newer car has to do with the fact that they are making so many things one year or partial year only in order to have the latest and greatest to offer new buyers.
I still say no one is going to try and rebuild a 2019 car/truck in 2040. I bet they will still rebuild a 2000's model in 2040, and we know they will still rebuild stuff from the 60's and later.
Completely agree with you all over again lol but don't ever underestimate the determination of a true blooded hot rodder, as bloodlines progress so does certain talents and characteristics, that being said I'm sure some young buck in the future will be fabbing up their own steering/brake/throttle systems in an effort to remain free. For the record I have no problem with people wanting to remotely automate things but I am try to put the word out and make sure they don't manage to turn this entire world into a turnkey self managing human farm of a world, I like plain streets not conveyor belts... and if I want to fly off the road into a rain gutter whether intentional or accidental is my life and my choice and I should be free enough to do so, there's pros and cons to everything, yeah automated cars might seem safer but for how long until they mess up and even worse did it really mess up or was it hacked. Forgive me if I'm wrong but I'll always trust my brothers and sisters driving skills long before I trust antennas and a handful of people with a master keyboard to the world. I feel sorry for the wizard of oz, he/she needs to put down the buttons stop acting like Mr spacely and apologize to the world for trying to make it their own little sim city and join us in a celebration of true freedom
 

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Also, I have something very very very very very very important to say in a summarizing manner of all this electronic tom foolery, Im a true bowtie fan till I die and I'm gonna die no matter what so I don't care who I piss off when I say what I'm about to say. I see chevy is offering electric conversion kits nowadays, let me say I have no problem with an electric motor power source propelling my vehicle, however if I see creepy boxes and a prideful rainbow of goofy electrical highways controlling my electric motor, then you can fuckin forget about it! I will however accept a good ol fashioned resistor block complete with a cooling system tied into a good ol fashioned HIGH QUALITY mechanical spring loaded scratch type speed control as a method to control my electric motor, if they aren't willing to offer this then I'm not willing to offer my hard earned dollars, plain and simple just saying...smh
 

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Maaaaaaaaaaaan no comments got me guessing that everyone gears is super busy turning right now, well, here's one more gear to add to the drivetrain, you still have the electromagnetic frequencies to deal with, not to mention having to drive a big ass computer and battery pack on wheels in a lighting storm is kinda frightening, all this being said, imo the combustion engine should stay in play but powered by water or hydrogen if you're looking for a compromise, I guess I should be thankful that they just recently built two brand new gas stations in my area complete WITH OUT CHARGING STATIONS LMAO
 

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How many vechicals have you bought new?

shit kinda turns me on actually
I've never bought a new vehicle in my life because I know better, most of them disposable and not meant to be kept, I ride with specifically chevy v8's (I'll let the 4.3 v6 live with this comment as well) because they the only ones that encourage wrenching on your own stuff, every other brand out there hides information as much as possible and only cares about selling new cars that's why for every 1 old ford or dodge or any other brand out there you'll see still running the streets, there's a hundred chevys to match that, and I think the op dead he only got four posts and hasn't replied back, guess that's why this conversation got lead in the direction it did
 

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Op must have thrown in the towel and bought a tesla, guess that's why we haven't heard back, he bounced out to mars for extensive testing, without his permission...hey elon, you claim to be a hard working individual, but that beach body proves you'll only break a sweat to fuck, how hard do you really work with all these target easy buttons at your disposal...
 

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Lmao your right!! It's pick your poison in this world, it's just that some people like different flavors of poison, and if your not willing to build and sell the type of poison a person is looking for then don't be surprised when people start cooking up their own
 

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Just got one more thing to say specifically to the young bucks in this world, be careful with choosing a MIDDLE MAN position in this world, you'll be surrounded on all sides...............
 

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So you won’t buy a new vechical? But complain there not marketed towards you? Kinda is the point man.

plus you have 4.3. $100 says it’s a beat up long bed single cab with a light bar.
Bro u don't know me, I currently own five vehicles and have owned enough to start a car lot I'm pushing 40 years old and have never had a bankruptcy have never had a auto loan have never had credit card and my credit score is blank I grew up without running water and electricity I've camped in blizzards for extended amounts of time and I got a v8 sitting on my porch in city limits, I'll build your fuckin truck on side of a mountain without a fuckin impact gun
 

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And you don't wanna get me started on the new hummer ev, for the record I was already a marine before I had hair on my nuts I didn't grow up with titties, I grew up without phones just woods crazy people and alot of backwoods engineering at it's finest
 
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