Thanks Vortec, would you pay extra $$ for the springs instead of messing around with installing hangers and shackles, that would be cheaper. I've read most of the threads on here and I hear how hard shakles are to install. I also wonder if I chizzle of the stock ones what do I do if I want to change the height set up. McGaughys has teh perfect kit for me, but the rear has shakles and I want to do the install myself.